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Consent in Gaming
by Zero S. [Verified Purchaser] Date Added: 09/16/2019 23:25:50

This thing should have been named "How to ruin Roleplaying Games for Everyone 101"... And that "Consent Checklist"? Ridicoulous, who wrote it? The US Socialist Convention? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moWe3rk7LzQ)

(Since people keept false flagging me I just keept reposting my comment about 17 times before they actually closed down the "discusions", I'm Jack's complete lack of amazement over this)

It's the current year, we cannot trust people to handle things anymore, the average person has skin so thin it's transparent, minds so fragile they broke at the slightest disagreement.

How about we treat Players and GMs like adults (even if they are not 18+) capable of establishing a "social contract" by themselves before playing? Or decide whether or not to continue playing or leave the table when they are outside their comfort zone or said contract is ignored? Like I don't know just as in real life?

If you are a player only you can decide for yourself what you can take when you sit at a table and if you cant take it after all atleast be an adult about it and leave the table, don't ruin it for everyone else, if you are a GM you decide who sits at your table and who needs to take a hike so they won't spoil anyone elses fun, it's not that hard.

This pandering to Cancel Culture has no place in this hobby, when you try to please everyone and offend no one you end up pleasing no one and spoiling the fun for everyone.

Let's take a few examples of how this doesn't work for anyone involved...

Horror item #1 "Horror" itself... so, kiss good bye all your CoC adventures if one of your players marks this box, this includes my Vs. Stranger Stuff pdfs too.

Horror item #4 "Demons"... You had everything ready to run "Rage of Demons", but one of your players marks it as "NO", now you have to trash the campaign and prep another one which hopefully wont have any kind of demons... does this bans Tieflings too? I mean are they not literally demon/devil spawn?

Horror item #10 "Spiders"... Ok, no Underdark Aventures, and no Spiders, I better put all my spider minis locked in a box just in case, Mike, my arachnophobic player suffers a panic attack (he actually loves my spider Minis, because they are not real and helps him cope with his phobia!)

Relationships "Romance" items #1 through #5 Whatever in here a player says NO to, it automatically takes it out of the game for everyone, what about players who do want to have a romantic relationship either with other PCs or NPCs?

Relationships "Sex" items #1 through 5... So far I've never seen "Explicit" outside an 18+ game (which had a Explicit Sex warning, and only happened 2 or 3 times in a 4 months campaign), if you join one, you do it at your own risk. So, no fun for the Horny Cliche Bard player (whom most of the time is happy with a simple "yeah, you seduced the wench, she will pay you a visit in your room tonight" oh! the depravity! the horror!)

Social and Cultural Issues items #1 through 5... So nothing that actually challenges the players to roleplay is allowed and no setting/adventure based on our world's history? Well that sucks.

Mental and Physical Health item #2 "Cancer"... A rare occurrence to pop up in any game, why is this even here? Well I guess now I'll have to think another modern disease for my character's mother/sister/wife/grampa/bestfriend to suffer so he has a compelling motive to resort to crime to help pay for the treatment... is AIDS ok? I mean is not on the Cringe checkl... I meant the "Consent Checklist".

Mental and Physical Health item #3 "Claustrophobia"... Now my 6th CoC pc has become less interesting to play, I guess I'll have to pick another phobia for him, can't take arachnophobia don't want Mike thinking I'm making fun of him (he actually doesn't care, he is funny that way, he acts like an adult.).

Mental and Physical Health item #10 "Police, Police Aggression"... How this is not on "Social & Cultural Issues"? But I digress, any player who marks it as a "no-no" just scraps any modern, sci-fi and cyberpunk setting and adventure. Not to mention we should forbid any police officer to play, right?

Mental and Physical Health item #16 "Terrorism"... Another one for "Social & Cultural Issues"? (I wonder why is here intead) Anyways, I better preemptively toss my "Counter Terrorism" N.O.W. campaign into the paper shredder just in case one of my players doesn't consent to this. I've only spent 3 months writing it, gathering maps, painting and modding miniatures.

Mental and Physical Health item #18 "Thirst"... No Darksun for you I guess, not to mention any desert adventure nor drifting in the ocean on a raft situation and general wilderness survival is also out of the question, also avoid mention the weather is hot just in case.

If you are lucky, most players won't have any issues with anything on this ludicrous list and if they do they surely be an adult about it, but it only takes a few "NO" answers to basically scrap every Game and Adventure Mod leaving you no other option than to dust off your Monopoly/Life/Risk board games on game night, which are known to end more friendships and split more couples apart than discussions over politics and religion, and that is if your are lucky enough not to have one particular kind of a$$hole in your group abusing this checklist to purposely ruin the fun for everyone.

Great Content MCG! You just made a tool to ruin fun for everyone!!! To take agency away from GMs and treat players as spoiled children which now GMs are required to cater to their every whim!!!



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Consent in Gaming
by Alec B. [Verified Purchaser] Date Added: 09/16/2019 21:18:34

Thank you for an excellent guide and tool to help being inclusive to friends and gamers who may have a hard time expressing trigger issues to avoid within the venue of tabletop gaming.

As of 9/16, the one problem I find is that regardless of PDF viewer, the form fillable checklist does not appear to have accessible forms fields. Does it require a certain minimum version? Or could an incomplete version have been uploaded?

Again, thank you for providing an excellent resource for communicating about difficult subject matter in our complex and mature hobby.



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Consent in Gaming
by Michael B. [Verified Purchaser] Date Added: 09/16/2019 18:40:06

There are a lot of things missing on this checklist. Many people would like to avoid things like:

Homosexual acts

Transgenderism/non-binary genderism

Anti-Americanism

Anti military/police

Sexualisation/transgenderism of children

Gun control/anti-Constitutionalism

Feminism/female supremacism

Black supremacism/white genocide

Islamism/terrorism

I think adding these things to the checklist, and discussing how they can be harmful to society, would definitely push this over the top and make it a very worthwhile product.



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Consent in Gaming
by James S. [Verified Purchaser] Date Added: 09/16/2019 13:38:12

I admit to not reviewing as much as I should and when I do it is usually in response to negative reviews that miss the point of a product. In this instance it is on the axis of just not getting the issues we face in the gaming community due to a constant and defensive mindset amongst members of the community that started playing during the satanic panic era. I understand this and have had to overcome my defensiveness brought on by my own experiences.

I also have the dubious advantage of dealing with issues brought up by other traumas and can see how my defensiveness and post traumatic stress affects others around me. Several of my fellow GM's and myself have used similar sheets to the one they have provided though theirs is far and away better than what I ever came up with. Also while Sean and Shanna use in this pamphlet can come of at times condescending and a bit intellectualist, they are only attempting what others in the gaming industry are trying to do. Open the discussion and make the gaming table a welcoming place for everyone.

If you do not feel you need this, that is fine. You are not everyone. I however have had to explain to peoples at many times that there are several things that need to be off scene and not approached as they will undoubtedly cause me to react negatively. I thank Sean K. Reynolds, Shanna Germain and ultimately Monte Cooke for putting out this product and getting the conversation if not started then moving further alonng.



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Consent in Gaming
by Jim J. [Verified Purchaser] Date Added: 09/16/2019 12:34:58

I'm sane enough not to need a shrink, thanks, and even if I did, what I tell him would be leant for him, not for my week-end D&D.

What's this got to do with gaming ??

I believe the sales rep missed a floor when he got out of the elevator, please, throw him/her out with all his stuff !!



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by Brook M. [Verified Purchaser] Date Added: 09/16/2019 11:34:40

This would be a better tool for GM/Keepers to list themes so players can decide if its suitable for them.

I find the idear of a GM/Keeper having to edit their game based on a players preference more problematic.



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by VICKI R L. [Verified Purchaser] Date Added: 09/16/2019 11:30:33

I love this booklet, especially the discussion on how to handle things AFTER an incident. I've shared this on social media and generally WOMEN love this and see the need for it in the hobby. Many men do too. But there some few that think their priviledge trumps people consent and innate right to be safe from harm in our hobby. I run 4 gaming groups and one convention and WE will be using this in conjunction with the X-card. Thank you Sean, Shanna and Monte Cook for adding this incredible tool to the conversation!! Keep up the good work!



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Consent in Gaming
by William H. [Verified Purchaser] Date Added: 09/16/2019 03:43:58

This product makes several assumptions explicit that are toxic to good communication of what is and is not in bounds; it becomes garbage the moment it states,

  • It doesn’t matter why consent wasn’t given.
  • Nobody has to explain why they’re not consenting.
  • There may not be a reason why they’re not consenting.

At that point, it's setting people up for things sliding into areas that are tangential but adjacent to the things off limits.

For example, if I mark real world religion, but don't explain why, it's entirely possible that a fantasy parody that the GM doesn't realize is parodying a real world religion is in fact even MORE offensive to me.

Consent, or non-consent, is not a matter for non-discussion; why someone isn't consenting is important, because, unlike the sexual fetish scene, which this seems liberally plagiarized from, the triggers are not black-and-white, and it's very easy to cross lines unintentionally, while this advises as if it is.



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Consent in Gaming
by Bob T. [Verified Purchaser] Date Added: 09/16/2019 00:20:37

Oh my, who thought this might be useful to anyone ?

Maybe when you feel really alone and you've got nothing else to read but even then this is depressing and there aren't any funny pages !

Just throw throw it in the garbage can before it's too late. That's where it belongs.



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Consent in Gaming
by Patrick C. [Verified Purchaser] Date Added: 09/15/2019 23:02:31

This is explaining in details everything that's forbidden in roleplaying and then tells you why and how you may consent, just in case you still want to play.

Well, if you believe roleplaying is about forbidding and consenting (mainly forbidding), then this 13 pages long essay is meant for you.

If, like me, you still think that roleplaying games are about having fun, forget about this. Just have a chat with your pals next time one of you feels uncomfortable at the gaming table.

As a side note : there's been so much attempts to manipulate the displayed ratings in real time that I have zero trust in what's shown for this title. You've been warned.



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by Ryan C. [Verified Purchaser] Date Added: 09/15/2019 22:23:09

This is a great product to make sure that everyone is going to have fun at the game table. Don't listen to the haters. There is nothing wrong with making sure you treat people with respect and compassion.



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by Jeff A. [Verified Purchaser] Date Added: 09/15/2019 13:49:26

This is a fantastic tool for helping to make gaming more inclusive and fun for everyone. Not sure why so many people are so threatened by these concepts.



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by Mathew D. [Verified Purchaser] Date Added: 09/14/2019 20:02:00

I think there's a lot of people that see the checklist and miss the intent behind this guide. Maybe I missed the intent, as I seem to have a different view on this from so many. First, if you're new to being a GM or player, and you want to "push the envelope", this is a good guide to look through. Understanding what your players are and are not comfortable with is important to crafting a good story. Yes, there are times where something "shocking" needs to happen, for a number of reasons, but it's one thing to say "this shocking thing has happened" and another to graphically describe that same "thing". If you don't know where your players stand, you could jepordize the game, due to completly turning them off from the game, either by being too descriptive or not descriptive enough. I've had the chance to run for a wide variety of players, and they all have experienced, in some way, trauma. It's a fact of life. If I join a gaming group, I am not going to be OK with some things, and I feel that this gives me a chance to at least give a heads up, without having to overburden my new GM with all my past issues. Honestly, I know very few GMs that are actually licensed therapists (I know some that have been licensed therapists, but they're not running an RPG to hand out free therapy). Next, yes, no one is tying anyone to a chair. That's even mentioned in the document. If you're not comfortable, leave. You do not need to explain yourself to anyone, and that is sometimes important to remind the player and the GM. I feel that this aspect is being overlooked in some of the reviews. Additionally, this isn't a "rules set", it's a discussion piece. It's meant to stir a conversation, amongst GMs and their players, players between players, and GMs between GMs. Sadly, conversation and discussion is no longer looked favorably anymore. Instead, people see a product like this and either hoist it high as though it were lost scripture, or attempt to burn it to ground as heresy. There is no middle ground when it comes to this sort of topic, it seems. In conclusion, not everyone is going to see value in this, and that's OK. Not everyone is going to see this as useless, and that is also OK. For myself, I find this a great discussion on matters I had not considered, providing direction to alternative means of addressing issues, and providing a potentially useful tool, for games I might run in the future. If you are having questions about where to draw a line or how far to push an issue, either as a GM or Player, then take the short amount of time and read this.



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by Xavier-Bertrand C. [Verified Purchaser] Date Added: 09/14/2019 18:46:10

With people you use to play, this book is useless. But if you have a new player, and don't have the time to really know him, it's useful.

Now, I will laugh and drink maletears.



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by Teilo T. [Verified Purchaser] Date Added: 09/14/2019 17:27:14

It's a tabletop RPG, not hardcore BDSM. Quite simply, you're not strapped to the chair. If you're that easily offended, just leave. It's different if a child is going to be playing, but adults pretending to be children? Nah. If I see a DM at any point in the future pulling this or anything like it out, I will leave immediately. If you're too fragile to handle a collaborative storytelling game, then you're too delicate to add anything to the experience for others only diminish the potential enjoyment of others. SJW nonsense is cancer to every community it infects, from atheism to the endless gates. You damned snowflakes are as bad as the "think of the children!" brigade, just let others have their own fun.



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